Sezon nr. 2013
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nu kaip cia pasakius pasirodo po 22 galima lekt tik daina, maike ir striuke :pure joy:
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VYSI Y SBORUS!
Rashydai, kada paskiri sborus?
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edit: ble, turiu storms paprasyti man uzdetu minusa, del balanco
Rashydai, kada paskiri sborus?
idedu 0% MC spalvas:
edit: ble, turiu storms paprasyti man uzdetu minusa, del balanco
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Re: Sezon nr. 2013
Tai bus pristatyta 2013 deltaminske?Ar as jau ka praleidau 
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bus pristatytos naujos plosciaus spalvos
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Re: Sezon nr. 2013
Deltą per uždarymą pristatinėt tai tas pats kaip inkilus rudenį kelt.
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Perpostinu jau vien todel, kad autorius nepatingejo toooki issamu laiska parasyti, o be to storms savo karvei vel lempas prisuko, heh
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This thread generally seems to deal with "should I run" questions, or the "I ran and this sucks" commentary, so I'll approach what I have to say from that perspective. What is disturbing, however, is that a number of the members posting seem to believe that driving at warp speed should not carry a consequence. In the perfect world, that would be true; after all it's your bike, public road and you should be able to do what you please. Nothing wrong with that ideal belief, not at all. Unfortunately, that is not the reality of the situation.
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The police “job” can, and like any stress job, affect them both short term and long term. I'll assume that other than myself, there's likely a number of law enforcement members, and hopefully, they can also give some insight into how and why many bike rider "interactions" are less than "productive" for the riders...
.
First of all, police work, especially "front line" law enforcement attracts two types: The highly desirable, honest folks who want to make a difference, and unfortunately, some others, which in some cases and jurisdictions, are in the majority. The reasons for this attraction to the light, so to speak, are the cause and subject of many studies, theories and beliefs. For my remarks, just assume that cops are demographically just like everybody else in the area in which you live. Most are good folks, hard working, etc., and of course there are some that, well... make life miserable for everyone.
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When the nice police man sees Lil' Johnny at warp speed, he (or she) is compelled either by practice, or the law (usually both...) to do something about it. Usually not because the police have this overwhelming desire to otherwise waste their time on a traffic stop. There are, of course, a few exceptions in many jurisdictions, but like any other job, there's always a few folks who just have to exercise the power and authority they have over others. For that, I can sympathize, but other than complaints to the police departments (which usually are ineffective...), you just have to deal with it.
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Look at it this way. If you want to do warp speed (notwithstanding your competency), then everyone else on the road should have the same privilege. To be honest, I'd bet that a lot of riders would park their bikes if they knew that anyone could drive any speed they wanted anytime they wanted.
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That is what we can call the "social contract" nature of the problem. We cannot accept or allow a privileged few the right to do 120 mph, when (regardless of how good they are...), most of the rest of the unwashed masses can't function safely at 60 mph on four wheels.
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High speeds, and by consequence choosing to outrun the police results in a couple of things that will, in the long run, never have a happy ending. First and foremost, that practice will surely at some point result in an obituary. Second is public relations...
.
Public relations you ask? What in the hell do we care about PR? That, my friends, is the key to our collective survival in any community, jurisdiction, etc.
.
The police respond to either a real problem, or a perceived problem brought to them or to the local government. Police are reactive to problems and practices among drivers of any vehicle. To be blunt, if anal driving by cars (and motorcycles) is not the focus of complaints, then most police are not going to give the bikes more than a passing glance, and then forgotten as it should be.
.
But tweak the tail of the dragon a couple times, and what happens is institutional memory starts to kick in. Folks in the road patrol squad room at shift's end start telling the inevitable war stories about crazy bikers. Now.... add to that the complaints from the public. Guaranteed that someone out on the road is going to dial *FHP (Florida State Police), or 911 when they are passed by the rocket at 120.
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Why? it's easy, and it is a great way for the unwashed masses to vent their accumulated road rage in a productive manner. Even worse, every cell telephone sold is a personal "traffic cam" and when they have had their paint melted by a bike passing at a high speed, they are going to start takin' pictures....
.
The result is going to be traffic enforcement to the point if you so much as do a little "weaving" on a back road, then you are going to get nailed to some cross if they can stop you. And stop you they will eventually.
.
You think the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc., collects data? HA! HA!!! Nothing compared to local law enforcement. In almost all police jurisdictions, EVERY complaint is logged on the computer. They have to, it's a liability issue (beyond the scope of my remarks), and at some point, someone in the "chain of command" is going to look at the statistics and come up with "reckless motorcycle" complaints as 'needin' attention...
.
What does this mean for us? Relevancy? Just as an example, my county has a population of about ~35k - ~40k. That's every man, women and child. There are about 12k "households". Now just last year, there were 24k (24,000) complaints ranging from homicide to reckless driving. That's about 2 complaints a year for each "household". Just think about it for a moment. And this is considered a quiet, rural community. Now what do the esteemed local govmint' officials do when they realize that 5%-10% (over a 100 a year, or 3-4 a day!) of all complaints are about speeders, bad sports car drivers, or.... crazy bikers on the roads.
.
Take these two circumstances together and what you no longer have is a sleeping dragon. You have the basis for public perception that will bode ill for the hobby. Have a couple of high speed chases, coupla' wrecks, and complaints of hordes of "sport bikes" on the main roads driving like a scene from a Mad Max movie, and pretty soon your bike driving "environment" will devolve into a survival run everytime you drive into, through or out of town.
.
We went through this debacle a few years ago, thanks to a group of sport bike owners who decided that they could pretty much outrun the police every Saturday night while drag racing on a particular road, or on Sunday morning on their high speed bombing run to Denny's in the next county over. Believe me, I tried to tell them what was gonna’ happen if they did not police themselves, but to no avail. I even went to the local dealer, the “bike” shops, etc. and told them to pass the word that the “race boys” (and every one else) were going to reap the apocalyptic whirlwind for screwing around. Oh well.
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There was no happy ending. Eventually, they all were "stalked" by the deputies and the local city police, and ticketed to point of extinction. The old expression "you can't fight City Hall" comes to mind. No, actually a techno-based version of Darwin’s Natural Selection seems to have applied here...
.
One final (and maybe real important to some of you...) factor you should consider is "repeat offender" situation.
.
When you are stopped, the first thing the "man" does is run your tag, your license, and license history... If you have received a couple of tickets previously for excessive speed, etc., you WILL get another ticket. Guaranteed. Reason? To the average cop, it appears that warnings and previous citations have had no effect. Be prepared.. In fact, if you are busted for more than about 20 mph over the speed limit, at least in Florida, you can be arrested for reckless driving, bike towed, and sit in jail for 24 hours until a judge even gives you a bond.
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These observations are from the “practical” point of view. The moral or ethical reasons to stay off the throttle on public roadways with traffic are self evident, and I’m not the chaplain here, and this is not the venue for “counseling”. We all know what’s “right”, and it’s simply a matter of listening to the better angels on our shoulders before doing something we’ll regret later.
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As far as how the devious police type mind works... When you are stopped (provided they did not have to chase you....) and from a practical point of view, consider this (quickly, because they will be up in your face in about 30 seconds...):
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First, TURN THE MOTOR OFF!! Reducing the ambient sound around the bike has a calming effect on most police peoples...
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If they ask you why they stopped you, unless you really don’t know, tell them the truth. The fastest way to have a bad “social interaction” is to BS the “man”. Most of the time they don’t want to be standing on the side of the road any more than you want them there.
.
Forget about begging for mercy, groveling, etc. Does no good, and is often an indicator that you have something to hide. Just be nice and courteous.
.
“Newbie” cops are the most likely, statistically, to write a ticket. They often still insecure in their profession, and believe they have something to prove. It’s psychological.
.
Motorcycle cops (we call them motor units) will generally write a ticket. That’s their job – traffic enforcement and crash investigation -.
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Generally, most cops will, provided it is your first “encounter”, you are nice and courteous, and you are honest in your responses, will give you a warning and let you go. Let me be clear on this.... In effect you have just entered into an informal social contract. “I won’t write you up, but don’t embarrass me and do it again. ‘Cause if you do, shame on you”.
.
Police have institutional memories, are trained and required to write down everything they do, and they will “share” their encounters with other, perhaps less forgiving police officers. When I was on the “road”, I KNEW who owned what bike in this county, where they lived, their feeding habits, where they worked, etc. I had “buddies” with sport bikes and during conversations, always learned who was messin’ up, who just bought the latest rocket, etc.
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Don’t attract attention!!! We all love a great track style exhaust system. To the observer (the police...) while you may be doing 35 in a 35 mph zone, when you are at 8000+ rpm and it sounds like a GP bike passing by... well folks.... that’s like waving a free hot dog in front of a pit bull!! Wanna’ meet nice police officers? Do the downshifts at 8000 rpm and a hot exhaust system as you slow from 60 to the traffic light... LOL!!! Free steak!!
.
Really want PR insurance? Most police patrol work is now what is called “community based” policing. What that means is that most officers are assigned within a geographic zone. They are required to interact with the community whenever possible, not just when answering complaints, etc. That means you! But, the reality of the matter is that they are usually so busy that their “interaction” is always with the 10% that cause 90% of the problems. You are driving on a road and see a patrol car parked? Wave hello as you pass. The worst that can happen is he/she stops you and asks what’s the matter. You say you were just being courteous, and thanking them for their service. They may drive away red faced, but they will always remember that nice guy named Bob on the green ZX6R.
.
You see a patrol car sitting in the same place more than once or twice a week? Try pulling over and parking your happy self, take off the helmet and engage. You might be surprised. The fact of the matter is that police officers deal with human trash most of the time, and when an otherwise law abiding citizen simply takes a moment to be friendly, the positive effects for folks on bikes can be exponential in relationship to effort.
.
When I left active military duty in 1985, I had just graduated from college and started my second “career” as a law enforcement officer. Still did reserve mil stuff, but the full time take home the money job was being a police person. I wrapped that up, along with the military reserve stuff at the end of 2010 and retired as a Captain with our Sheriff’s Office. I still do the Fed and State grants for them, and am still an “active” certification status law enforcement officer. I’m either up at the main office every day, or on the phone with them for some reason.
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Hopefully, some of what I have commented upon will make sense to the members, and while I’m an old dude now, my children either have sport bikes, or in the case of my son, are getting ready to take over the ZX6R. Many of you appear to be the same age as my kids, or at least alot younger than I am! LOL!! It’s hard for anyone to tell another what should or should not be done. Don’t think for a moment that I never twisted the throttle (or still don’t on occasion...). But I’ll conclude my remarks by saying that when you drive a go-fast rocket, you really have a responsibility to yourself and others around you that can often be forgotten in the heat of the ride.
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This thread generally seems to deal with "should I run" questions, or the "I ran and this sucks" commentary, so I'll approach what I have to say from that perspective. What is disturbing, however, is that a number of the members posting seem to believe that driving at warp speed should not carry a consequence. In the perfect world, that would be true; after all it's your bike, public road and you should be able to do what you please. Nothing wrong with that ideal belief, not at all. Unfortunately, that is not the reality of the situation.
.
The police “job” can, and like any stress job, affect them both short term and long term. I'll assume that other than myself, there's likely a number of law enforcement members, and hopefully, they can also give some insight into how and why many bike rider "interactions" are less than "productive" for the riders...
.
First of all, police work, especially "front line" law enforcement attracts two types: The highly desirable, honest folks who want to make a difference, and unfortunately, some others, which in some cases and jurisdictions, are in the majority. The reasons for this attraction to the light, so to speak, are the cause and subject of many studies, theories and beliefs. For my remarks, just assume that cops are demographically just like everybody else in the area in which you live. Most are good folks, hard working, etc., and of course there are some that, well... make life miserable for everyone.
.
When the nice police man sees Lil' Johnny at warp speed, he (or she) is compelled either by practice, or the law (usually both...) to do something about it. Usually not because the police have this overwhelming desire to otherwise waste their time on a traffic stop. There are, of course, a few exceptions in many jurisdictions, but like any other job, there's always a few folks who just have to exercise the power and authority they have over others. For that, I can sympathize, but other than complaints to the police departments (which usually are ineffective...), you just have to deal with it.
.
Look at it this way. If you want to do warp speed (notwithstanding your competency), then everyone else on the road should have the same privilege. To be honest, I'd bet that a lot of riders would park their bikes if they knew that anyone could drive any speed they wanted anytime they wanted.
.
That is what we can call the "social contract" nature of the problem. We cannot accept or allow a privileged few the right to do 120 mph, when (regardless of how good they are...), most of the rest of the unwashed masses can't function safely at 60 mph on four wheels.
.
High speeds, and by consequence choosing to outrun the police results in a couple of things that will, in the long run, never have a happy ending. First and foremost, that practice will surely at some point result in an obituary. Second is public relations...
.
Public relations you ask? What in the hell do we care about PR? That, my friends, is the key to our collective survival in any community, jurisdiction, etc.
.
The police respond to either a real problem, or a perceived problem brought to them or to the local government. Police are reactive to problems and practices among drivers of any vehicle. To be blunt, if anal driving by cars (and motorcycles) is not the focus of complaints, then most police are not going to give the bikes more than a passing glance, and then forgotten as it should be.
.
But tweak the tail of the dragon a couple times, and what happens is institutional memory starts to kick in. Folks in the road patrol squad room at shift's end start telling the inevitable war stories about crazy bikers. Now.... add to that the complaints from the public. Guaranteed that someone out on the road is going to dial *FHP (Florida State Police), or 911 when they are passed by the rocket at 120.
.
Why? it's easy, and it is a great way for the unwashed masses to vent their accumulated road rage in a productive manner. Even worse, every cell telephone sold is a personal "traffic cam" and when they have had their paint melted by a bike passing at a high speed, they are going to start takin' pictures....
.
The result is going to be traffic enforcement to the point if you so much as do a little "weaving" on a back road, then you are going to get nailed to some cross if they can stop you. And stop you they will eventually.
.
You think the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc., collects data? HA! HA!!! Nothing compared to local law enforcement. In almost all police jurisdictions, EVERY complaint is logged on the computer. They have to, it's a liability issue (beyond the scope of my remarks), and at some point, someone in the "chain of command" is going to look at the statistics and come up with "reckless motorcycle" complaints as 'needin' attention...
.
What does this mean for us? Relevancy? Just as an example, my county has a population of about ~35k - ~40k. That's every man, women and child. There are about 12k "households". Now just last year, there were 24k (24,000) complaints ranging from homicide to reckless driving. That's about 2 complaints a year for each "household". Just think about it for a moment. And this is considered a quiet, rural community. Now what do the esteemed local govmint' officials do when they realize that 5%-10% (over a 100 a year, or 3-4 a day!) of all complaints are about speeders, bad sports car drivers, or.... crazy bikers on the roads.
.
Take these two circumstances together and what you no longer have is a sleeping dragon. You have the basis for public perception that will bode ill for the hobby. Have a couple of high speed chases, coupla' wrecks, and complaints of hordes of "sport bikes" on the main roads driving like a scene from a Mad Max movie, and pretty soon your bike driving "environment" will devolve into a survival run everytime you drive into, through or out of town.
.
We went through this debacle a few years ago, thanks to a group of sport bike owners who decided that they could pretty much outrun the police every Saturday night while drag racing on a particular road, or on Sunday morning on their high speed bombing run to Denny's in the next county over. Believe me, I tried to tell them what was gonna’ happen if they did not police themselves, but to no avail. I even went to the local dealer, the “bike” shops, etc. and told them to pass the word that the “race boys” (and every one else) were going to reap the apocalyptic whirlwind for screwing around. Oh well.
.
There was no happy ending. Eventually, they all were "stalked" by the deputies and the local city police, and ticketed to point of extinction. The old expression "you can't fight City Hall" comes to mind. No, actually a techno-based version of Darwin’s Natural Selection seems to have applied here...
.
One final (and maybe real important to some of you...) factor you should consider is "repeat offender" situation.
.
When you are stopped, the first thing the "man" does is run your tag, your license, and license history... If you have received a couple of tickets previously for excessive speed, etc., you WILL get another ticket. Guaranteed. Reason? To the average cop, it appears that warnings and previous citations have had no effect. Be prepared.. In fact, if you are busted for more than about 20 mph over the speed limit, at least in Florida, you can be arrested for reckless driving, bike towed, and sit in jail for 24 hours until a judge even gives you a bond.
.
These observations are from the “practical” point of view. The moral or ethical reasons to stay off the throttle on public roadways with traffic are self evident, and I’m not the chaplain here, and this is not the venue for “counseling”. We all know what’s “right”, and it’s simply a matter of listening to the better angels on our shoulders before doing something we’ll regret later.
.
As far as how the devious police type mind works... When you are stopped (provided they did not have to chase you....) and from a practical point of view, consider this (quickly, because they will be up in your face in about 30 seconds...):
.
First, TURN THE MOTOR OFF!! Reducing the ambient sound around the bike has a calming effect on most police peoples...
.
If they ask you why they stopped you, unless you really don’t know, tell them the truth. The fastest way to have a bad “social interaction” is to BS the “man”. Most of the time they don’t want to be standing on the side of the road any more than you want them there.
.
Forget about begging for mercy, groveling, etc. Does no good, and is often an indicator that you have something to hide. Just be nice and courteous.
.
“Newbie” cops are the most likely, statistically, to write a ticket. They often still insecure in their profession, and believe they have something to prove. It’s psychological.
.
Motorcycle cops (we call them motor units) will generally write a ticket. That’s their job – traffic enforcement and crash investigation -.
.
Generally, most cops will, provided it is your first “encounter”, you are nice and courteous, and you are honest in your responses, will give you a warning and let you go. Let me be clear on this.... In effect you have just entered into an informal social contract. “I won’t write you up, but don’t embarrass me and do it again. ‘Cause if you do, shame on you”.
.
Police have institutional memories, are trained and required to write down everything they do, and they will “share” their encounters with other, perhaps less forgiving police officers. When I was on the “road”, I KNEW who owned what bike in this county, where they lived, their feeding habits, where they worked, etc. I had “buddies” with sport bikes and during conversations, always learned who was messin’ up, who just bought the latest rocket, etc.
.
Don’t attract attention!!! We all love a great track style exhaust system. To the observer (the police...) while you may be doing 35 in a 35 mph zone, when you are at 8000+ rpm and it sounds like a GP bike passing by... well folks.... that’s like waving a free hot dog in front of a pit bull!! Wanna’ meet nice police officers? Do the downshifts at 8000 rpm and a hot exhaust system as you slow from 60 to the traffic light... LOL!!! Free steak!!
.
Really want PR insurance? Most police patrol work is now what is called “community based” policing. What that means is that most officers are assigned within a geographic zone. They are required to interact with the community whenever possible, not just when answering complaints, etc. That means you! But, the reality of the matter is that they are usually so busy that their “interaction” is always with the 10% that cause 90% of the problems. You are driving on a road and see a patrol car parked? Wave hello as you pass. The worst that can happen is he/she stops you and asks what’s the matter. You say you were just being courteous, and thanking them for their service. They may drive away red faced, but they will always remember that nice guy named Bob on the green ZX6R.
.
You see a patrol car sitting in the same place more than once or twice a week? Try pulling over and parking your happy self, take off the helmet and engage. You might be surprised. The fact of the matter is that police officers deal with human trash most of the time, and when an otherwise law abiding citizen simply takes a moment to be friendly, the positive effects for folks on bikes can be exponential in relationship to effort.
.
When I left active military duty in 1985, I had just graduated from college and started my second “career” as a law enforcement officer. Still did reserve mil stuff, but the full time take home the money job was being a police person. I wrapped that up, along with the military reserve stuff at the end of 2010 and retired as a Captain with our Sheriff’s Office. I still do the Fed and State grants for them, and am still an “active” certification status law enforcement officer. I’m either up at the main office every day, or on the phone with them for some reason.
.
Hopefully, some of what I have commented upon will make sense to the members, and while I’m an old dude now, my children either have sport bikes, or in the case of my son, are getting ready to take over the ZX6R. Many of you appear to be the same age as my kids, or at least alot younger than I am! LOL!! It’s hard for anyone to tell another what should or should not be done. Don’t think for a moment that I never twisted the throttle (or still don’t on occasion...). But I’ll conclude my remarks by saying that when you drive a go-fast rocket, you really have a responsibility to yourself and others around you that can often be forgotten in the heat of the ride.
.
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Re: Sezon nr. 2013
Visa sita overkomplikuota rasliava yra pritaikita merikonams
Vazinejant Lituvelej svarbus tik vienas punktas: veziokis su savim cash'a
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sitas musit neskaite ta ka mindaugasa perpostino
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skubejo i pyderu parada, vargselis. pasipiktinau kartu su juoWobbler wrote:sitas musit neskaite ta ka mindaugasa perpostino
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mano megstamiausias amerikoniskas zodis yra 'dumbass'
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